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first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have stopped this tragedy? >> only one kind of gun regulation would have stopped this and that would be to gut the second amendment and i don't think igor can reject that. 20,000 laws around the country regulate guns at the state, federal and local level. those laws sometimes are forced a and sometimes not. this young man there was no reason legally to deny him the ownership of a firearm. so the suggestion by bob costas who ought to be fired for the comments, his outrageous suggestion that the civil rights of americans all 300 million of us should be taken away and we should be denied the right to own a g
first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have...
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jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now. welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> so what did the commissioner tell you about belcher and the decision to play the game on sunday? >> yeah. you know, his reaction was -- he was stunned. he gets a phone call from his director of security and hearing the details and he can't believe what he's hearing. he starts to hit the phones and he knew that there was pressure not to play the game and there were thoughts on that side. you know, he reached out to the chairman of the chiefs and told them to please seek feedback from the players. he basically deferred to the players. the feedback he was g
jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now....
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but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the face, resulting in a bullet through the heart. it results in a double-murder in this case, a murder/suicide. guns don't protect. they cause suicide. >> let me bring in -- >> they cause suicide? >> i can promise, i'll get back to you, carol. here is what they say to me. i've had it all. but trying to get a debate going. i've been on two years on cnn. in that time, there's been a series of gun rages. each time it is the same debate and nothing gets done about it. 300 million guns and you have between 11,000 and 12,000 guns and murders a year. by comparison, britain has 35 as does germany and aust
but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the...
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listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in phoenix when he lost vision in one eye. and he felt his body go numb. he should be okay. wolf? still surprising. 27 years old, very puzzling. >> he's lucky to be alive, riding a motorcycle, has a stroke. thank was riding a motorcycle when he had the stroke. >>> one state is about to legalize marijuana smoking, but what could it mean for federal drug laws?♪ ou make me happy when skies are gray ♪ [ female announcer ] you know exactly what it takes to make them feel better. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] that's why you choose children's tylenol. the same brand your mom trusted for you when you wer
listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in...
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belcher's death i believe is a fourth death of an nfl player this year through some violent means. it's a violent sport. i mean, one of the things that goodell says in the piece is that it's a brutal sport. it's a sport about violence. when people are banging their heads together, there are going to be head injuries. the question is not to get rid of football but how to make it safer, how to make it more palatable and how to keep the game going. >> it's a strong interview. and i guess the nfl, they're studying it very closely to see what if any lessons they need to learn from this tragedy that happened in kansas city. quickly on paul ryan. you have a separate interview with the former republican vice presidential nominee. and among other things you quote him as saying this "i've decided not to decide" when you ask if there's a future for him. you can't hold on forever doing that. but i've decided to focus on my family and my job. it sounds like he's keeping the door pretty open. but what was your impression? >> well, that would be my impression as well, wolf. i mean, by his selecti
belcher's death i believe is a fourth death of an nfl player this year through some violent means. it's a violent sport. i mean, one of the things that goodell says in the piece is that it's a brutal sport. it's a sport about violence. when people are banging their heads together, there are going to be head injuries. the question is not to get rid of football but how to make it safer, how to make it more palatable and how to keep the game going. >> it's a strong interview. and i guess the...
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. >>> a shocking murder-suicide at the hands of jovan belcher is the latest in the string of bad publicity for the nfl. and perhaps a sign of the side effects the game can have. commissioner roger goodell opens up about some of the ways he hopes to reform the sports so it takes less of the toll on the athletes. . among the ideas, doing away with kickoffs which are seen to be one of the most dangerous elements of the game. it it has fans and professionals alike wondering what's in store for the future of football? so joining me now from atlanta is chris draft, founder of the chris draft family foundation. very nice to have you with us this morning. thank you. >> it's great to be here. >> so we know that roger goodell floated this idea when he was meeting with a "times" reporter but it first game with greg shia ya know. a team would get the ball on its own 30 yard line where it's fourth and 15. the options is to go for it or punt. what do you think of this idea and do you think the nfl will potentially eliminate kickoffs for good? >> i don't see them getting rid of kickoffs for good, but wha
. >>> a shocking murder-suicide at the hands of jovan belcher is the latest in the string of bad publicity for the nfl. and perhaps a sign of the side effects the game can have. commissioner roger goodell opens up about some of the ways he hopes to reform the sports so it takes less of the toll on the athletes. . among the ideas, doing away with kickoffs which are seen to be one of the most dangerous elements of the game. it it has fans and professionals alike wondering what's in store...
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that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt like they were in any danger. at least that's according to police. but then he shot himself right in front of them. the police now know exactly what happened. what they're trying to figure out in this investigation is obviously why it happened. >> yeah, i mean 25 years old. he'd been really just sort of a, an underdog in a lot of ways and he'd been so successful in that. there have been six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in the past two years. which is an unprecedented number. what are they looking in
that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt...
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belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke to the team. >> it's something really good today. really good. you overcame a lot. you stuck together as a team like we talked about. helped each other. all right? family and friends. you relied on those people. all right? you relied on your faith to help get you through this and we got through it. and in a grand way because everybody made a contribution. everybody helped. okay in that's what a team is about. that's what a team is about. >> police say belcher used a gun to kill his partner and himself and halftime segment on sunday night football bob costas made a case for gun control. sports reporter joe ca
belcher's agent says he like everyone else is stunned that belcher turned violent. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there's nothing in my relationship with him that would indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have caused him to commit such a heinous act as this and we just -- we'll never know, unfortunately. and i think that's the great debate of this. >> chiefs won the game against carolina and later in the locker room head coach spoke...
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saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for many people to come to grips with. because everybody says oh, there was no history of domestic violence in his past. but there are reports out there that he did have one experience while he was at maine. do you know about that? where he became so angry, he put his fist through a wall or glass window? >> he -- there was an incident with -- where he did put his fist through a window. to me it was our freshman year. he was 18 or 19 years old. i always credited that to an immature decision, a decision that i actually have another friend who has done the sam
saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for...
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that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad morsi blocked the high court from indefinitely suspending all court sessions. that would suspend a ruling on the drawing up of egypt's new constitution. president morsi declared his decisions are now immune from judicial oversight. >>> it is a frightening and deadly scene in japan. just look at this. at least two cars are still trapped inside a highway tunnel after a massive section of the concrete structure collapsed. police say they have already found several burned bodies inside the rubble about 50 miles west of tokyo. it is not clear what caused the tunnel to cave in or how many cars were inside
that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad...
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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> wl, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you call
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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line blacker joyan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove away and shot himself. it, what are you hearing? what are investigators learning? >> well, they have offered few inclu clues as too what led up to the horrific morning here in kansas city, but police did say that they had had no previous reports of disturbance calls at the home where jovan's girlfriend was shot yesterday morning, but there were some arguments in the morning leading up to it. a lot of preliminary work being done today, but the game where the kansas city chiefs were playing went on as scheduled. in fact just moments ago, in the stadium behind me, arrowhead state of mind in kansas city, they actually won the football game, 27-24. actually the team's radio broadcast of the game, you can hear the announcers voices talking about just how emissional this day has been, instead of coming just a short time before this game was played, the decision was made to carry on with the game, obviously in a -- what they knew of this situation, what might have led up to whorrific moment. >> you know, clearly wi
line blacker joyan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove away and shot himself. it, what are you hearing? what are investigators learning? >> well, they have offered few inclu clues as too what led up to the horrific morning here in kansas city, but police did say that they had had no previous reports of disturbance calls at the home where jovan's girlfriend was shot yesterday morning, but there were some arguments in the morning leading up to it. a lot of preliminary work being done...
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belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his personal life? >> no major troubles in his life. everybody has some issues in their personal life. i mean, all of us here have issues in our personal life. and everybody handles issues differently. he seemed like a strong-willed individual to me. he's a leader. he was sitting in the front of the classroom. he's a first to the drills. i'm not a psychologist. i don't know what made him snap. >> reporter: perkins' family spokesperson said there were never any signs of trouble in the relationship, described them as loving couple and belcher never abused her the family says and t
belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his...
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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. >>> in syria there's a sense of growing urgency and anxiety. we will get to why in a moment. first, i would like to show you some images that are quite frankly very disturbing and we want to warn you, extremely graphic. but above all, they are a reminder of why we care so much about this story. why we have been devoting so much time to covering it. we think it's important for the rest of the world to see what's happening to the syrian people. according to the opposition, a government air strike hit a residential area in south-central aleppo, killing 20 people an
republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa...
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jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were completely shocked by this. it seems so out of character. having said that, as you know, there's been at least six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in just the past two years. murder-suicide unprecedented. however there are some people this morning who are speculating these tragedies could have been linked to undiagnosed concussion injuries. any truth to that? >> well, we don't know if there's truth to it, but it's certainly a natural area of inquiry. the nfl has been trying in the last couple of years to deal with the issue of concussions. as you menti
jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were...
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who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have got to get some place why violence and gun violence is not a solution for all of our issues and conflicts. i do think, you know, there is something wrong when we had over a million people killed in our country since bobby kennedy and dr. king were assassinated by guns in 1968, you know, i think we need to have tougher gun laws. i do think, you know there needs to be better security for the athletes. i've counseled a number of athletes who i cannot name, but said the reason why they carry guns is because they fear for their own safety. >> the athletes themselves. >> yeah, but the problem is when they turn around
who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have...
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plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> th
plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans...
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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, @ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. those little things for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's rig
republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, @ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa...
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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. because for o
republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa...
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>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us, randy weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. all guests this morning. wednesday, december 5th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> our "starting point" this morning, president obama putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're
>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us,...
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. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used by belcher was purchased legally. belcher's mother has been given temporary custody of the couple's daughter, zoe. >> a picture of suspect george zimmerman released by his attorney reportedly taken by a police officer the night zimmerman shot and killed martin. the bloody picture itself is not new, but the fact it's a high resolution color photo is. zimmerman's attorney says it gives the case more context. >> is it devastating? no. but it's just one piece of evidence that shows what george was going through that night and why he re
. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life...
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but after the game, the head coach of the team, the very man who witnessed javon belcher kill himself at the team's practice facility not too far from where we are here tonight, spoke about what this game meant and what it was like to play today. >> it's tough when circumstance happens, you can't undo them, so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, your friends, and rely on your faith, and that's what the team tried to do today and we were able to do that and try to work our way through the tragedy, and knowing that it's not over today. it still will go on tomorrow, the next day, and the next day. but life is going to go on as well and we have to work through it. >> reporter: after the game few kansas city chiefs football players provided any kind of clues as to what javon belcher might have been struggling with in the days leading up to this tragedy when he killed his girlfriend at her honl and then took his own life at the team's practice facility and with all of that, they left behind a 3-month-old baby who is now orphaned. before the game kansas city chiefs organizat
but after the game, the head coach of the team, the very man who witnessed javon belcher kill himself at the team's practice facility not too far from where we are here tonight, spoke about what this game meant and what it was like to play today. >> it's tough when circumstance happens, you can't undo them, so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, your friends, and rely on your faith, and that's what the team tried to do today and we were able to do that and try to work our...
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in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this facebook page. fire bob costas for his unamerican comments on gun control. hln sports reporter joe carter is here to talk about all of this. what did he say in his own defense? >> i found several fire bob costas facebook pages with lots of likes. he went on the shows yesterday morning and defended himself and said that he did admit he made a mistake, that he used wrong forum to take on such a heavy-handed topic, that he should have listened to his own rule which is when you take on a topic as politically charged as gun control, leave yourself enough time to fully flush out that topic. and as we know
in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this...
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linebacker jovan belcher reportedly killed his girlfriend yesterday and then drove to the stadium where he killed himself while his coaches and teammates watched in disbelieve. ed lavender are is in kansas city, missouri right now and, ed, this has been a tough day for the coach, a tough die for the players, what did they say after the game? >> reporter: you know this team, despite having faced this tragedy just a day before this game was scheduled, it went on as planned here in kansas city. a very subdued feeling inside the stadium throughout the game. this was clearly not a typical nfl football game. a much different mood in kansas city, known for having very vivacious and excitable fans. despite owl of this that the team was dealing with the saincs won the football game. >> it's hard when things happen like this, you can't undo them you have to rely on your family and friends and rely on your ith. that's what the team tried to do today and we were able to do that and try to work our way through the tragedy. and knowing that it's not over today, it still will go on tomorrow, the next
linebacker jovan belcher reportedly killed his girlfriend yesterday and then drove to the stadium where he killed himself while his coaches and teammates watched in disbelieve. ed lavender are is in kansas city, missouri right now and, ed, this has been a tough day for the coach, a tough die for the players, what did they say after the game? >> reporter: you know this team, despite having faced this tragedy just a day before this game was scheduled, it went on as planned here in kansas...
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si also reporting that belcher had been drinking. let me play something for you. this is belcher's aunt, she is speaking to reporters outside the couple's kansas city home. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of jovan and pray that those memories will bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of ckasandra perkins. >>> we continue on hour two. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. the question we are asking is this. is bashar al assad bluffing as fears grow that his regime will unleash chemical weapons in his country of syria? we're digging on what the syrian gas would do and where it's coming from. but first, there is a little bit of everything going on in washington, d.c. right now. you have your holiday parties, couple of press conferences, maybe even a little political posturing. one thing not happening is formal face to face serious talks on the looming fiscal cliff. but, hey, there is still 28 days until a huge package of tax hikes and spending cuts kicks in. our senior con
si also reporting that belcher had been drinking. let me play something for you. this is belcher's aunt, she is speaking to reporters outside the couple's kansas city home. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of jovan and pray that those memories will bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of ckasandra perkins. >>> we continue on hour two. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. the question...
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. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into perspective? >> it's a pretty unique situation in terms of nfl history. i think this is really the first time we have ever had this situation where a double murder and a player committing suicide the day before a game is scheduled in that stadium in that city. it's a tragedy. i think the nfl is little bit working without a map because they never had a situation quite this immediate to deal with, and quite this tragic. >> and what is so incredible about this is clearly, by thanking, reportedly, his coach and the general manager, i mean, they must be replaying that moment, you know, when he pulled the
. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into...
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he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will lee more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our gnaws, tempt us to escalate confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> pretty clear what he was saying. howard kurtz from cnn's ""reliable sources" "joins me live now by skype. quite a discussion has erupted since those comments were made, howie. is that a legitimate conversation that we should all be having about what bob said? >> well, it's an important conversation, ashleigh, but by stepp
he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes...
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"the kansas city star" says kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher is the nfl player involved in a murder-suicide in missouri. jovan shot and killed his girlfriend then drove to a practice facility at the team's arrowhead stadium. shot and killed himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> chasing the american dream, it can get expensive, especially if you have to use your credit cards to do it n today's smart is the new rich, christine romans introduced us to a couple who found themselves deep in debt, manage to turn things around with a little help. >>> the baileys are hard-working and modest. jerry is a minister, sue a registered nurse. >> get the coupons, watch what you buying. plan your meals. >> they married in 1992. each had children if a previous marriage, six altogether, wane a big family, there were big bills. >> we had major, major repairs on the house. and the cars and like a new transmission, those kinds of things. and just over a period of time we he massed more and more credit cards. >> reporter: 13 years later the couple was overwhelmed by debt, 92
"the kansas city star" says kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher is the nfl player involved in a murder-suicide in missouri. jovan shot and killed his girlfriend then drove to a practice facility at the team's arrowhead stadium. shot and killed himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> chasing the american dream, it can get expensive, especially if you have to use your credit cards to do it n today's smart is the new rich, christine romans introduced...
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sunday night when sportscaster bob costas took a moment to comment on the tragic murder/suicide of jovan belcher. here is what bob said. >> our current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> wow! you can imagine those remarks set off a firestorm of criticism against bob costas, particularly from folks who support the second amendment and other folks who are conservative. it sparked a big debate about the boundaries that a journalist should or should not have as they're sitting on the air in the middle of a football game and what they can talk about. let's bring in leonard kurts from the daily beast and lauren ashburn, day ily download. we need to come up with a nickname for you. >> do you think he was out of line? it was a small chunk of time. >> bob costas mi
sunday night when sportscaster bob costas took a moment to comment on the tragic murder/suicide of jovan belcher. here is what bob said. >> our current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing...
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. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic traumatic encephalopathy. it's attributed to alzheimer's. some are attributing it to concussion-like injuries. there's new information out, a new study that's making a lot of news. what is in the study, and why is it significant especially in light of what we've just seen happen over the weekend? >> researchers, ashleigh, have been so curious to know what do the brains of these athletes with chronic -- it's the biggest study. it's the largest mof people. they looked at 68 brains on autopsy of people who died and had chronic traumatic encephalopattie. most were athletes. i think this is really going to explain
. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic...
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let me go back to javn belcher. >> police say belcher turned a gun on perkins in the home that they share with their 3-month-old daughter. the child was spared. the player then went to the stadium, thanked his coaches for believing in him and then shot himself as they watched in horror. >> cenk: were guns a factor in this shooting? of course, of course! of course they were. he shot her nine times. he shot himself as well. but not in the ultimate reality that the conservatives live in. they're reacting not at him but at bob costas. here is ted nugent. we thought bob costas was smarter than that. only fools blame tools instead of human failings. shame, bob. this guy talking about shame. remember ted nugent was the rocker who crapped in his pants to get out of vietnam. that embarrassment, that pitiful excuse and you talk about shame. you walked around in your own waste for a week, you coward. shame. then we weapon "g" to matt yoder whoyo--then we go to matt yoder so that's the place where people might pay attention to it. so don't ever talk about it, a when people are paying attention, and b
let me go back to javn belcher. >> police say belcher turned a gun on perkins in the home that they share with their 3-month-old daughter. the child was spared. the player then went to the stadium, thanked his coaches for believing in him and then shot himself as they watched in horror. >> cenk: were guns a factor in this shooting? of course, of course! of course they were. he shot her nine times. he shot himself as well. but not in the ultimate reality that the conservatives live...
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at least lee von belcher did not go to the caribbean with a gallon of viagra. please, spare me go get another divorce and another marriage. "young turks." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> good evening i'm eliot spitzer and this is "viewpoint." we have become all too accustomed to gun violence. in recent years despite horrific tragedies, we have lacked the political will to do anything about it. now a suicide has brought it back into the public eye. livan belcher murdered the mother of his daughter and shot himself. >> here wrote jason with it lock is what i believe. if he doesn't possess a gun he and sandra perkins would both be alive today. >> half time of a football game was the wrong time to bring up the issue of gun control. wane lapierre accused costas of promoting an anti second amendment agenda. media conglomerates want to ram gun control down throats. those of us who believe in gun control should bring all the pressure we can to where it might make a difference. the white house. when president obama was in tough straights he went back and did something. i've been f
at least lee von belcher did not go to the caribbean with a gallon of viagra. please, spare me go get another divorce and another marriage. "young turks." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> good evening i'm eliot spitzer and this is "viewpoint." we have become all too accustomed to gun violence. in recent years despite horrific tragedies, we have lacked the political will to do anything about it. now a suicide has brought it back into the public eye. livan belcher murdered the...
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the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all right. full "the full court press" on this wednesday, december 5th. stay with us. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, dr. ruth answers all your questions about sex. i mean the ones you can say on tv of course, on say anything. smiles make more smiles. when the chocolate is hershey's. life is delicious. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet but they're gonna fall in love get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost nev
the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all...
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most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his defensive coordinator. by 10:00 a.m., the n.f.l. is telling the panthers to make the trip to kansas city. by 3:00 p.m., there is a hastily worded releases that say no, the decision was actually by the kansas city chiefs and head coach rom yes purnell and it's best for the team for the healing processes to go ball and play. now, en if you do believe that -- and frank, i don't. but even if you do believe that that it was the decision of the chiefs and their captains why is that even their decision to make? this seems like more an issue for mental health professionals than anymore. jaf javon be
most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his...
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. >> eliot: when kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered kasandra perkins last weekend and then shot himself it did not happen in a vacuum. there are $30,000 done deaths a year, doing nothing about this is one thing that clearly makes no sense. which begs the question why is government doing nothing when it comes to guns. here to talk to us about possible solutions is john rosenthal, co-founder of stop handgun violence and the american hunters and shooters association, an alternative to nra for moderate gun owners. thank you for joining us. >> thank you eliot. >> eliot: the frustration we've felt for years in response to gun violence. in the context of all that has happened, the lack of action, what is your agenda, and how do you plan to make it real. >> it's no different than it has been the better part of 20 years. i'm a gun owner. i'm a business person. i believe in the second amendment and the right to bear arms but the founders never extended that the second amendment extend to terrorists and criminals to buy guns without even a background check. toy guns and teddy bea
. >> eliot: when kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered kasandra perkins last weekend and then shot himself it did not happen in a vacuum. there are $30,000 done deaths a year, doing nothing about this is one thing that clearly makes no sense. which begs the question why is government doing nothing when it comes to guns. here to talk to us about possible solutions is john rosenthal, co-founder of stop handgun violence and the american hunters and shooters association, an...
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well, rush has got a different theory on what happened to lee von belcher. >> can we talk about the damage that decades of liberalism have done to the american family, particularly minority families, but it's nevertheless, there is a social dissent allegation taking place in way too many parts of this country and there are reasons why it is happening. this deterioration and cultural rot is often glorified. >> cenk: rush limbaugh, married four different times. divorced three times. yeah it's the liberal's fault. by the way, also if you noticed he mentioned oh, minorities. he later went on to say if i told you wha
well, rush has got a different theory on what happened to lee von belcher. >> can we talk about the damage that decades of liberalism have done to the american family, particularly minority families, but it's nevertheless, there is a social dissent allegation taking place in way too many parts of this country and there are reasons why it is happening. this deterioration and cultural rot is often glorified. >> cenk: rush limbaugh, married four different times. divorced three times....
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same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much powerful. clearly the most powerful lobbying. >> with the republican party. >> bill: they own the republican party. 1-866-55-press. covering the waterfront here with think progress and igor volsky here on the "full court press" this morning. join the conversation at -- commenting on anything we've been talking about at 1-866-55-press. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the d
same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much...
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. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case. peters role tide >> bill: john mccain and john pete kerriy at a news conference this week sharing something in common. >> senator mccain. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. >> uh-huh. >> thank you very much, mr. president. this is what happens when you get two loosers up here -- here -- here -- loose. >> other night, we lit up the congressional christmas treat. john boehner did and he explained what the christmas tree is all about. >> number 2. >> we will bring light to the tree that flourishes as as symbol of everlasting light. and in turn, this tree will bring light for us opening our hearts a little more than
. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case....